Frank Sauer joins the podcast to discuss autonomy in weapon systems, killer drones, low-tech defenses against drones, the flaws and unpredictability of autonomous weapon systems, and the political possibilities of regulating such systems.

Timestamps:
00:00 Autonomy in weapon systems
12:19 Balance of offense and defense
20:05 Killer drone systems
28:53 Is autonomy like nuclear weapons?
37:20 Low-tech defenses against drones
48:29 Autonomy and power balance
1:00:24 Tricking autonomous systems
1:07:53 Unpredictability of autonomous systems
1:13:16 Will we trust autonomous systems too much?
1:27:28 Legal terminology
1:32:12 Political possibilities