On this episode, Michael Nielsen joins me to discuss how humanity's growing understanding of nature poses dual-use challenges, whether existing institutions and governance frameworks can adapt to handle advanced AI safely, and how we might recognize signs of dangerous AI. We explore the distinction between AI as agents and tools, how power is latent in the world, implications of widespread powerful hardware, and finally touch upon the philosophical perspectives of deep atheism and optimistic cosmism.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 Preview and intro

00:01:05 Understanding is dual-use

00:05:17 Can we handle AI like other tech?

00:12:08 Can institutions adapt to AI?

00:16:50 Recognizing signs of dangerous AI

00:22:45 Agents versus tools

00:25:43 Power is latent in the world

00:35:45 Widespread powerful hardware

00:42:09 Governance mechanisms for AI

00:53:55 Deep atheism and optimistic cosmism